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Red Ming underglazed?

by Kenny
(Singkawang, Indonesia)

Dear Peter,
This is another item I need your comments n identification, my observation say it is probably a Red Ming underglazed ware and is a shipwreck, how is your opinion?

Regards,
Kenny

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Sep 07, 2011
 What next?
by: Kenny

Dear Peter,

You write tat he Red Ming underglazed are very rare, so I've the same opinion, that's why make them expensive. my question is how I can get a good expertise for his item, in our region there is no curator for antique, have you have any suggestion?

Best regards,
Kenny
Sep 06, 2011
 fakes and shipwreck porcelain
by: peter

Hi Kenny,
The fakes are made from very low to very high quality. The latter are difficult to detect even for experts, the former only deceive the tourists.

As what concerns shipwreck porcelain. I happen to own a few such items in various stages of degradation. Something from about 200 years ago may still be in good condition, I have one with the glaze gone but the underglaze decoration still intact. The example here (top image) https://www.chinese-antique-porcelain.com/porcelain-age-signs.html shows how something may look after a long period of time in the sea. Glaze gone, underglaze blue almost gone (the some would happen to underglaze red).
The glaze of yours cannot be that old, I think.
Sep 06, 2011
 Red Ming Underglazed
by: Kenny

Dear Peter,

Thanks for your pinion, but one thing make me doubt, if it's a fake, why they don't produced it perfectly, my question is if t possible that ornament lose by the sea (wrack)I'll send you another iem that I think is a fake product of Red Ming underglazed.

Regards,
Kenny
Sep 03, 2011
 underglaze red
by: peter

Hi Kenny,
This decoration looks unfinished, or rather a trial decoration for firing?
I doubt that something like this would have been seriously exported. Also, the early underglaze red had some problems associated with it, which makes it look differently.
And, the bottom is quite far from the Ming bottoms I know.

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