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Jan 31, 2012
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by: peter

No need to get offended because my view differs from yours. My view is based on many years of ceramics study, and fluency in both written Japanese and Chinese. I spent a long time in both language areas.
1928 is not considered antique by many and the type of (creative) mark is not found in traditional Chinese ceramics, nor is the bottom. Both could be Japanese, however. If the original in the museum is Chinese, that does not mean yours couldn't be Japanese, as the Japanese copied many Chinese ceramics, early on. But, basically, I would tend to think that the one in the museum is not Chinese but Japanese. Who knows? Did you note that the museum item has question marks behind the possible origins?
Many antique items that are of the regular type may be easily attributed, but with some this is difficult even for the experts in museums and auction houses. Sometimes a concrete answer cannot be found, only a couple of personal opinions. That's all.

If the item your friend saw in the past is exactly the same as this one I do not know, but for anyone knowing Chinese ceramics for many years it is plain that the item in the uploaded pictures and the one in the museum are different, not only in the making, but also the material used and decoration style.
Jan 31, 2012
 Jo and uba blue and white vase
by: Sidney

Your comment:
The one on the pictures you uploaded isn't very convincing in view to age.

I suppose it is your right to call me a liar on this site. The vase belongs to a family with one
member aged 74. He reports that he remembers it as a kid and that there may be an old picture to this
effect. He was told that it was a wedding present to his parents about 1928. Most family goods were
destroyed during WWII or in moving, but this one survived.

It would be nice if an Oriental vase specialist who can manage in Japanese or Chinese responds to my query.
Jan 30, 2012
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by: peter

The two vases are a world apart.
I'm not sure if I ever saw this type of vase, but the one at the museum is clearly old. The whiteness of the glaze and the blue tone are different. You also can see a line running along the middle. That is found on old items, mainly. The decoration also looks old. I couldn't accept the fishes of the other one as old, for example.

The one on the pictures you uploaded isn't very convincing in view to age.
Jan 30, 2012
 Jo and Uba vase
by: Sidney

Peter:
Thank you for such a quick response.

The vase posted was given as a wedding present in Osaka about 1928. It is reported that it was brought from China.


The one at the British Museum:
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Jan 30, 2012
 vase
by: peter

Hello,
Depends what you consider a fake or a museum piece. And, should this be Chinese or Japanese?
If it is Chinese, then it is neither a fake nor a museum piece, in my view, because it is too obvious that it cannot be antique.

My definition of a fake is an item that is made to look old like an antique, or which is a new copy of an antique item, but is sold as a real antique.

If this is Chinese, then it is fairly new. If it is Japanese I cannot help as I understand too little of modern Japanese ceramics. (It does not look Chinese.)
Also, the mark looks more like a Japanese mark.
This does not look like anything traditional or antique.

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