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Chinese plate - information

by B.C
(Belgium)

Hi Peter,

I would like to get some information about this plate I bought at a flea market. Personally in my amateur view (I'm new to Chinese porcelain and I'm in the learning process) I think this is a fake/new or how should I call it? But in order to ensure I kindly ask for your opinion.

(By the way, I think it's fake/new because the paint is peeling off.)

Kind regards from Belgium

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Chinese plate information
by: B.C

Hi Peter,

Thank you very much for your explanation.
I'm learning new things everyday. And I must say, this way I get more and more interested in Chinese antiques. Thanks for this helpful site Peter.

Kind regards from Belgium

-B.C
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by: peter

Yes, the firing temperature might have been insufficient.
The way the faces and especially the eyes are painted would be 20th century. This way of painting occurred under the influence of western painting, later on, as far as I know. Still, the faces are painted much better than some of the later ones.

Perhaps second to third quarter of the 20th century? Obviously, the rim motif is taken from export plates of the late 18th to early 19th century, but the enamels are different. The enamels of those times were much thicker, probably due to the use of glass powder.
Chinese plate - information
by: B.C

Hi Peter,

First of all thanks for your fast reply.

With peeling off I mean that when I scratch the surface with my nail the paint comes off. (See photos) the flakes are hard/stiff.
So, what could be the conclusion? Not enough fired?

Photos:
dl.dropbox.com/u/3487372/3%20(2).JPG
dl.dropbox.com/u/3487372/3%20(3).JPG
dl.dropbox.com/u/3487372/3%20(1).JPG

Anyway, as you have already indicated this plate is new. (the colors gaven me that feeling also)

Kind regards from Belgium

-B.C

chinese plate
by: peter

The stamped Qianlong mark looks more like a 20th century mark. Without seeing closer pictures of the decoration, especially the people, I cannot tell you more. However, the colors indicate that it is 20th century too.

What do you mean with "peeling off"? Are these hard, stiff flakes or are they soft?
Basically, if soft it means the specific color was not fired. With normal porcelain this could be the case when a restoration was done. Restorations are normally not re-fired.
Normally, as porcelain is fired the glaze gets very hard and shouldn't be coming off. Rubbing/scratching off of on-glaze enamels is possible, but it should still be hard. If it comes off too easily, this again could mean that the enamels were not fired.

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